It's STILL $300 US dollars, which may be an inconsequential amount of money to YOU, but it's not for many, and I'd venture to say over 80% of the world's population, so your statement is aslightlyarrogant or condescending reply. Show Your Pride, But Dont Violate Military Trademark. Products sold by our licensees not only supports access to ones favorite brand, but a portion of the proceeds are returned to the DAF for use within the U.S. Air and Space Force Intellectual Property Management office and directly supports morale, welfare and recreation programs throughout the U.S. Air and Space Forces. And one should not be very subtle or gentle when reminding the Navy of this fact. What's their budget? Yep. If anticipated sales exceed 500 units or sales revenue exceeds $5,000 in one year, please refer to our Standard License Application. Mostly guidelines of dos and do nots So here is what I made. It's how it is when you break it down. Bldg 977, Wing D101 And if I ever do and if they wanna court martial me after being out for 21 years they can do so, lol. Autodesk realized this when they created the Student / Startup licensing fee plan for Fusion 360. altruistic. Licensingfees are way out of line for a casual user, so it becomes a dead end if there is not such a license structure. ITS US$300 a year for a licence, that's not out of reach, less than a $1 a day. It is what it is. Welcome to Autodesks ReCap Forums. Thank you so much for posting this! This all started when i was thinking of buying a .stl file. Do I need permission to use this Trademark for our internal company veterans? Hobbyists cant afford a min of 100k a year, Navy now has a hobbyist license I just got mine last week, http://www.navy.mil/trademarks/licensing.html, Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, 12828332_762431577221681_3677311758076323422_o.jpg. Awesome, thanks for the link! I searched for about a half hour trying to find if there's a Hobbyist / Startup license, to no avail. I am not aware of this type of license for ReCap, this is really good feedback. It got me thinking about how they might have the rights to sell the file but do i have the rights to reproduce it. If anyone is interested here is the link to check out for obtaining use of military trademarks. It's not a sales technique. Of course the video is 2 years old and I come to find out that "Remake" seems to have been replaced by ReCap. Also, Education gets licences for free, so students shouldn't have to worry. Please, let me know if you have any other question or concern. Your comment might be relevant for professionals, where that $300 should be part of price of their work and thus kinda irrelevant to anybody but their clients. Many military spouses chose to start businesses with the goal to create products that help our military community demonstrate pride in their service and unit. Thanks for the feedback, but I strongly disagree. Thanks for checking back, I'm leaving it open ~just in case~ someone wings in with another reply. It would be even better if there was integration with fusion360. Have a great day, and smile, Summer's coming 'down under' !! Just as an aside - if there is NOT such a structure (of course, I lobby strongly for that ) you might consider it with restrictions on use; "x" number of models / month for the hobbyist, or, when it comes online, restricting the hobbyist to local processing, so you're not incurring data transfer & processing costs, probably a couple of the biggest cost involved. Thank you for allowing 360 for Hobbyist!! The way I made this one I could not pre stain I did this in many steps. Glad to say that I got a response from the Marine trademark office and my application was accepted. This translates to: US military seals may not be used for commercial products, period. That might still be expensive for me, but I would he happier paying them. The Department of the Navy is proud to offer a program that benefits crafters and hobbyists. I'm simply lobbing for Autodesk to consider making it available to those who are not using it in any real commercial way, as they did with 360. These are significant sums of money for people down here at the charitable/hobbyist/small business end of things. This is topic related to license schemes of Recap software, discussing it's price is therefore ontopic, especially when we're talking about hobby segment. It's STILL going to cost more money, even if you go lo-tech. Contact Christine, U.S. Patent and Trademark Office TESS Search Engine online. Currently in the processes of obtaining the Marine hobbyist licensing cost is $30 per year with sales up to $5,000. Keep up the good work!!! remove 1/8th material across the whole board leaving the U.S.M.C. Old, outdated, and out of regulation uniforms may be repurposed, but be careful about repurposing any uniform that is currently in regulation, especially any camouflage patterns. Checked my email this morning and I now am legal to reproduce Marine Corps items. My dealings with ReCap leave me feeling bitter. Arlington, VA 22203, Third Party Audits and Certification Information, Small Business and Standard Licensing Application, Standards of Manufacturing Practices and Manufacturers Agreements, Hosted by Defense Media Activity - WEB.mil. At some point you'll become discouraged with the low quality you're getting and MORE money will be spent to upgrade the hardware. The disappointing thing is of course it's no longer free or $30. A number of those people will become proficient, they will graduate to become drivers of Industry, doing it large scale. I think it is good to notify the groups on watching their legal tails in the case of a lot of things we make. I have a project that involves machining a part to closely fit an existing organic surface that would greatly benefit from an accurate point mapping application. Office of Naval Research I would like to use the following Icon as a letter head. Ive been out of the Navy for over 30 years. Here are a couple of things to keep in mind if you are considering using some of these items in your business: The official seal of each armed service is trademarked and may not be used for un-official purposes or without permission from the service it represents. JBSA-Randolph, TX 78150 I was going to use the military seals of all services! 875 N. Randolph Street Learn how your comment data is processed. Even an "on-demand" option where I pay per model would be great, as I would realistically use it a couple times per year. There is some gray area when it comes to repurposing uniforms. . I owe a jarhead friend of mine something nice, that looks like something hed love. One just has to remind them that the Navy and the Marine Corps are part of the same DoD Department, i.e. Thank youThank youThank you! That includes not only manufactured items, but use on websites, blogs, or any other form of non-official printed or electronic communication. I may use it a few times a year. Whats next? Those posts are reassigned under "Retired Experts" in order to allow them to remain available as content for our AWN fans. Even though I dont wanna go back to the brig, but Im sure that they got bigger things to worry about than just a few decals or any pieces of wood with our emblem on them. Let's say they decide to do a Startup with their newfound skills. We are still talking about a license for a software, aren't we? There in CZE/EU that's monthly food budget for two - so that expense really counts. "Get back into focus: this is a forum for the RECAP software, nothing else.". That's exactly what this thread is about, licencing fees for RECAP software, as a HOBBYIST. Also, things like the famous Army star on a black background and the official US Air Force symbol are also trademarked and cannot be used without permission and/or licensing. Have a great day, and smile, Summer's coming 'down under' !! got my $30 paid just waiting on my hobbyist license number. At some point, it becomes out of reach financially for many, and Imeanmany. This will help the Project Manager and developers hear your voice on any changes/concerns with functionality directly for consideration in future builds. I think you will be missing a HUGE market going forward if you don't allow for the smaller users, something you're OBVIOUSLY aware of since you did the Fusion 360 Hobbyist / Startup Licensing! It's an added fee to let you use the car on the road. 1960 1st Street West For additional information or to report unauthorized use please contact the Trademark Licensing Program Office: Department of the Navy Did the suggestion I provided yesterday work for you?If so, please click Accept as Solution on the posts that helped you so others in the community can find them easily. I would suggest to submit you feedback on the ReCap IdeaStation linkon the ReCap community home page. As the 3D printer machine prices drop, there is a growing small army of casual and hobbyist users, as well as many current Students at all levels from about 4th grade on. . The crafter is required to bear all risk in respect of the articles and hold the Department of the Navy harmless. Less than $1 a day to have the car registered. It's not condescending at all. This page has been translated for your convenience with an automatic translation service. They did send a little bit of artwork. To them it's a LOT of money, and an ongoing one. But, like everything else in our lives, there are rules that govern the use of military seals, rank,and insignia. Man Brutal. The application should be completed and submitted together with an image or sample of the proposed product by uploading on the page of the electronic application. That's why it's brilliant! DODI 5535.12_DAFI 35-114, Air Force Branding and Trademark Licensing Program, DOD Guidelines About the Use of Department of Defense Seals, Logos, Insignia, and Service Medals, Labor Department: Child Labor/Forced Labor, Hosted by Defense Media Activity - WEB.mil. Once the samples have been reviewed and approved, a Crafters License Agreement will be emailed to the crafter for review and signature. Most big companies recognize the opportunity to expose their product to (usually) young people to develop a loyal following, it's a brilliant move. Auto-suggest helps you quickly narrow down your search results by suggesting possible matches as you type. Office of Counsel I'm NOT attacking you, just pointing out your reply looks different fromthisend than what you probably intended. These agreements also render a company as an official licensee of the DAF. Most big companies recognize the opportunity to expose their product to (usually) young people to develop a loyal following, it's a brilliant move. That's why it's brilliant! This means that if your business makes less than $5,000 per year,sells directly to your customers, and does not use an outside manufacturer, you do not have to file an application. Certainly not now at $30/month or $300/year. deep. Plus they got a descent piece of me for my service to this country, so hopefully they will overlook a couple of decals. That's fine we can leave this thread open for now. Tomislav, to give you another perspective on the issue: You are Autodesk paid IT professional and $300 is something below yourrecognitive capability. Same thing like CEO's doesn't notice $3K expense on their vacation. Well, it sure can't support popping out an extra $300/year while they work flipping burgers or, if they're particularly talented, in an entry level job in their field. Believe it or not, the slogans of each service is also trademarked and cannot be used for commercial purposes without consent of the represented service. If you start down the road to designing 3D objects, ReCap is the next logical step. I would support you in your queries about a hobbyist arrangement for ReCap. Again, when in doubt, contact the trademark office for your respective service. I am gonna have to look at only doing military logos for friends and family as gifts at this rate. If you don't like the discussion, you're welcome to move on, whilethe rest of us have a thoughtful discussion on that subject. Instead, you should fill out the, If your sales are $5000.01 or more per year, youll need to fill out the licensing application for small business located, FAQ regarding the USMS licensing program are located, FAQ regarding the U.S. Air Force licensing program can be found, The U.S. Coast Guard maintains a list of FAQ located. so i started looking in to it and found this info. Stay tuned for some good stuff along that line in 2022 , Your email address will not be published. PropertyManagementOffice Everything from purses made from old uniforms, to engraved beer steins, to T-shirts, and everything in between. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Many of the images and slogans we see on a daily basis are protected by trademarks that could land you in hot water if you do not have the proper permission to use them. What the heck has that got to do with food budgets or cars for crying out loud, if you cannot afford this software go find a software you can afford. I watch comparative reviews and am desperate to find a cheaper alternative. By the way Shane, that piece is gorgeous, if I didnt have an xcarve I would definitely buy that from you. It's the truth. Sale sites include street festivals, craft fairs, farmers markets, and online craft marketplaces like Etsy. I must have joined a hundred Forums over the years, in every imaginable field from Nuclear Engineering, to Flame Glass working to healing a sick Quaker (the BIRD, not a PERSON, LOL)! Secondly, if Autodesk does need to charge, then Adobe have a business model where you subscribe to their Creative Cloud, which involves a monthly payment, but then gives you access to a whole suite of programmes including heavyweight ones such as Photoshop. I'm sitting here at home on a Saturday wondering how to mod a slider part for my 3D printer. I am a semi-charity with the social goal of spreading the word about 3D printing round the local county (Cornwall in England). Thanks again for the feedback, it gave me a chance to flesh out my point. It was very informative but I am still left with a question that hourly you will know the answer to , I am wondering if you can use the words Army, USMC, Air Force, Navy, & Coast Guard on apparel that youre selling? I don't know how else to put it. If I need ReCap, I will gladly pay your fee!! We are all excited about bring in our own models. We could talk about anything having an annual fee. The crafter may wish to purchase product liability insurance. I would to send them a letter to attend the upcoming Veteran Day parade via a letter. as raised lettering. In order to legally use these insignia, you must receive permission from the commanding officer of the unit they represent. I'm currently usingPAINFULLY LEARNING (LOL) Fusion 360 under a Hobbyist / Startup licence for doing 3D printed models. What is it with all of these crazy questions and a credit report with score??? DSN: 487-6058, Air & Space Forces Intellectual Property Management. Thank you Autodesk for all you do.You have a business to run!! If you feel that you have a product that will help spread the word about the U.S. Air Force or U.S. Space Force, then you should apply for a MERCHANDISE LICENSE. Like Proud Army Wife, etc, Thanks in advance if you know this answer or if you can point me in the right direction to find the answer , Great question, Heather and we are actually a few steps ahead of you. These agreements also render a company as an official licensee of the DAF. . This includes not only in a manufactured product for sale, but also on websites, blogs, and other printed and electronic communications. Suite W515A A merchandise license describes the terms through which the DAF grants permission to a company to use a trademark, service mark or copyright for distribution, marketing and sale. Did you pre-stain to get the color difference? I'd also like to see a startup or hobbyist license. News: Etsys Purchase Protection Program Starts August 1, 2022, Free Easter SVG Cut Files for Cricut and Silhouette, Offers a thorough application available online through, FAQ regarding the U.S. Navy licensing program arelocated, The USMC is the friendliest military branch in terms of licensing for crafters. Now they have to pony up $300, EVERY YEAR, an enormous price to a recent grad who probably owes $50K for their education. As a result, it's quickly becoming the "go to" for many 3D hobbyists and Startup companies, with a $100K / year income cap. "We are still talking about a license for a software, aren't we? It's STILL $300 US dollars, which may be an inconsequential amount of money to YOU, but it's not for many, and I'd venture to say over 80% of the world's population, so your statement is a, I'm NOT attacking you, just pointing out your reply looks different from, As for the Student fee, that's great, but it's. How do I ask for permission for the task? http://www.defense.gov/Media/Trademarks. Download the PDF then email Navylicensing.fct@navy.mil the application, *** please submit quarterly reports toroyaltyreporting.fct@navy.mil. Even after being out for 6 years they manage to find ways to keep trying to screw me over. The product is free or you can buy it for $30. Air & Space Forces Intellectual On the other hand, the Navy requires a business plan, credit scores, business records for past years, samples, etc. Good information, I had no idea. Yeah, I know, you can use a Cell phone. If that's US$600 a year, then breaking it down it's less than $2 a day. I like how the Marines make it easy, $30 for hobbyists. Thanks again for the feedback, it gave me a chance to flesh out my point. Once the Student graduates, they lose the license. Yep. I have done some workshop work on behalf of Fusion 360 and I have qualified as a small business for Fusion. 210-652-6058 I was looking for a way to take an STL file and make it into a solid. "It's only $1US a day" is a classic SALES technique to soften the blow of an expensive product or service; all the large companies use it. Once the agreement is finalized, an invoice with instructions on how to process the payments will be sent. Some of the places we set up require proof that you either own your design of show that you have reproduction rights. The reason I went with getting the license was for selling at festivals and craft shows. Recap is a much less friendly part of the Autodesk community. Blah Blah. A crafter is defined as an individual producing domestic handcrafted items in the home with Navy trademarks and selling to individual consumers via events or direct sales. A merchandise license describes the terms through which the DAF grants permission to a company to use a trademark, service mark or copyright for distribution, marketing and sale. Do we have to go to DC Comics or stop using any superhero stuff too??? Disclaimer: Army Wife Network is in no way affiliated with the Department of Defense (DoD) or any branch of the Armed Services and inclusion on this site does not reflect endorsement by the DoD, any local government or their agencies. Army Wife Network is blessed with many military-focused people and organizations that share their journey through writing in our expert blogger category. It's not car that you need to drive to your job, where you earn your bread. in recent years we have done more business and better profit just having proof because in our business there are alot of made in china knockoff products. Licensing is a big deal to me, None of my products for sale will ever have a copyright infringement item however I do see a ton of that kind of stuff being made all over the woodworking and CNC communities. make a silhouette of the eagle /globe and anchor and cut a circle pocket around the image 1/4in. Required fields are marked *. Let's look at car registration. Thank you so much for your reply. Information about the use of seals and the offices to contact for permission or questions can be found here. If someone buys a 3D printer for a small hobby, as a huge number of people are doing, they will usually get a machine under $500US. Actually probably is all owned by Stan Lee. This helped me a great deal. Given Autodesk's range of software, they could offer the same kind of deal. Unfortunately I can't justify the cost of purchasing a decent 3d scanner and $300 for an application I may only use a couple of times a year is a little much. I still have a budget, and it certainly does NOT include sending Autodesk $300US a year, that's more than half what I paid for the printer, and doesn't even include the costs to setup a proper scanner. Does it help allow the Student to accomplish their life goals? Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. Yeah, I know, you can use a Cell phone. I think of two things: Firstly, there is the way that Fusion 360 works much more positively with the small players like me. Good afternoon, my name is Richard Eanes, a 20 retired veteran USMC and the newly elected President of the Port Authority of Allegheny County, (transit agency) Veteran Group. We're talking about hobby to make live less miserable. Each Forum is like moving to a new town, different rules, different layout, different editor, it can be dizzying! Same for car insurance. I am currently trying to scan a model bird for a blind contact who wants to be able to replicate it so other blind people can feel its shape. A Crafters License allows for sales to individual consumers only, not via wholesale or a third party retailer. I'm very mechanical, and have been an Electronics Tech for 47 years, Computer Tech for 37 years. AWTR Show #914: How to Dial the Anxiety Down When Life Dials It Up, Soldier and Family Readiness Groups (SFRG), Information about the use of seals and the offices to contact for permission or questions can be found here, AWTR Show 432: DOD Family Readiness Council, Holiday Prep Tips for the First-Time Host. For me, it's fun. We have approximately 133 veterans all branches and ranks. It behoves AutoDesk to court them. ", Your aggressive and nasty reply to someone who is pointing out the realities of the world isn't appropriate here. Share your knowledge, ask questions, and explore popular ReCap topics. The recent pull by Etsy.com of all USMC-branded items for sale on the site caught many by surprise, but you have to think about the official service seals like any other trademarked brand. It's STILL going to cost more money, even if you go lo-tech. The point is there are not lower cost solutions that actually work. At some point you'll become discouraged with the low quality you're getting and MORE money will be spent to upgrade the hardware. I still have a budget, and it certainly does NOT include sending Autodesk $300US a year, that's more than half what I paid for the printer, and doesn't even include the costs to setup a proper scanner. Playing at agressive entitled elitist isn't needed here, glad to hear you're well-off enough to afford it, many are not. $30 and a few days wait is alot less hassle. To do this kind of work, I have had to take a monthly subscription and invest in a $100 of credits, when I only need 12. I am with you. As for the Student fee, that's great, but it'snotaltruistic. If, for arguments sake, your car registration is US$300 per year, so you could say the same thing for car ownership. Thank you for participating in our Community!!! I was already avoiding all Sports team logos for this reason now I shall hold off on all Government logos as well. the Department of the Navy. To qualify for the Crafter License Program, the following criteria needs to be met: Upon execution of a license and receipt of the licensing fee, an Officially Licensed Navy Crafter certificate will be provided for display by the crafter. Their content and contributions are still valued and resourceful. ", ReCap Startup Hobbyist Licensing 3d Printing. At least they are reasonable. Yeah I agree with that, never hurts to be safe. You can check on the status of your application by emailing us at Navylicensing.fct@navy.mil or by calling (703) 696-4002 or (703) 696-6676. I see a video on Autodesk Remake. Autodesk does not warrant, either expressly or implied, the accuracy, reliability or completeness of the information translated by the machine translation service and will not be liable for damages or losses caused by the trust placed in the translation service. The DAF works with many businesses and individuals who produce a wide variety of products and services to the commercial sector. Your email address will not be published. I have been trying to go by the book and it is pretty damn hard. I know, I followed that route, and found many others who are doing so too. They then quickly find that those machines aren't well built, and need a number of Mods to get them going, as well as a lot of filament, nozzles, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The following fees will apply on an annual basis: $150 for gross sales between $1,500 and $2,499; and, $200 for gross sales between $2,500 and $5,000. Ask the community or share your knowledge. Every company that plans to market, sell or profit from merchandise that includes U.S. Air Force and U.S. Space Force intellectual properties must acquire a merchandise license with the Department of the Air Force. When in doubt, contact the trademark offices listed above or your local Public Affairs or legal office. What the heck has that got to do with food budgets or cars for crying out loud, if you cannot afford this software go find a software you can afford.