Must ship to an FFL. Tried to talk him out of doing it and sell him a build up gun but he wanted a vent rib on it as it was his dad's gun. Produced in 1961. 2023 Rock Island Auction Company. The $48 price tag was right. The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in
Save my name and email to use for future comments. Thats like spending 12 days straight day and night. First of all was the end of management by people who were not familiar or sympathetic with the gun and ammunition business. The Olins were avid duck hunters. Standard markings, with matching numbers on the receiver and barrel. S/N 1,589,*** made in 1954. Stay in the know. Buy 1955 Winchester Model 12 20 GA Simmons Rib AA+ Wood: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pump Action Shotguns Shotguns Guns & Firearms All: 974012213. For specifics on Copyright Law and
Title. The Model 12 was about 40 percent more expensive than the '97, yet it consistently outsold its older brother during the 45-year-span they shared in the Winchester catalog. The 12-gauge 3-inch magnum shotshell was developed to achieve this objective. The lead slug added weight but more importantly maintained the balance point at the takedown joint. Alarm calls! bolt act. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE! Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1 choked skeet
Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition reduced, Winchester Model 12 Pigeon Grade 12 Gauge. Exquisite Winchester Model 12, 20 gauge with Modified bore. No Reserve. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. A 2pin vent rib lets the shooter sight under the bird and keep the bird in sight. The history of Oliver F. Winchester (1810-1880) and his endeavors in the manufacturing of fire-arm sat Bridgeport and New Haven, Connecticut, is filled with circumstances that could have led to corporate failure. I sold 41 model 12's and 21's at a gun auction in Wichita Kansas to accommodate the move. Total production reached two million. Ernie Simmons had a close relationship with Winchester & John Olin; if you find any NSSA ,ATA, Field & Stream and Sports Afield magazines pre-war and post war you'll find he sold plenty of Winchesters out of his gun shop and attended many shoots selling target guns. My 1951 Winchester Ammunition Handbook gives a comparison of 17 to 11 feet at 60 yards. The straighter stock reduced perceived recoil. Including this gun, they found a total of 4 gun with a 1919 date. Reduced bag limits and shell capacities for repeating shotguns were introduced. Buckingham had a solid 60-yard duck gun and was on his way to becoming a legend. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known. Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. The Model 12, already 23 years old, was one of many successful designs by Thomas C. Johnson. Refresh your browser window to try again. Keith stated in 1967: The old 70% standard is now obsolete and most any full choke gun will go 75% or better. Emphasis was placed on loads of #4 shot because of its historical significance in waterfowl hunting and association with the long-range objectives of the Model 12 duck gun. SN 1231992 Up for sale is a very clean and unique Winchester Model 12 in Pigeon Grade. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. The Olins were businessmen first and duck hunters second. Results and Discussion The paired pattern percentages fired by the two duck guns with each of the five loads were not significantly different, judging by the overlapping standard deviations. This shotgun is in near new condition in the original box. Ducks Unlimited was born in 1937 to aid in restoration of wetland breeding areas, primarily in Canada. Helping out a person with 3378 posts who if they spent 5min. When I went to the university in a different town I worked for another gun shop that was an authorized Winchester Repair Center. Lot 6593: Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent RibAuction Date: February 17, 2023. I put one of those BIG soft foam risers on the comb and shot it that way for years. The number of pellet holes was divided by the average number of pellets in the load to produce the pattern percentage. Westerns copper-plated shot, introduced about 1925, extended shotgun range even further. The Gun and the Times The Model 12 duck gun examined by the staff of the American Rifleman in 1936 was the earliest version. Pictures are of the item listed. That luck ran out following World War I when the arms industry declined and the management of Winchester was relinquished to outsiders. We need to talk model 12's sometime. The first thing you notice when you pick up a duck gun is its weight and solid feel. By 1955, the options were matted rib, ventilated rib, straight or pistol grip stock and buttstock and extension slide handle checkered. I also have seen a few in my day where the solid rib was removed and actually sent a customers Black Diamond to Simmons back in the seventies to put a vent rib on a solid rib gun. Yes the 2-pin milled rib was costly to manufacture. Chamber marked 3", choke marked full, and 14 1/2" LOP. Bore is excellent. The gun looked to be in excellent condition except some nitwit had inlayed a white plastic diamond in the stock at some point. My name is Chuck 620 515 0556. The Duck Stamp Law of 1934 was enacted to provide funds for waterfowl propagation. Both guns averaged 80% or better patterns with all loads of #4 shot. I don't believe it has been fired. This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! 12 Gauge, For sale is the Winchester Model 12. Numbers match on barrel and receiver. Beautifully figured wood is solid with only light handling marks and marks on bo, This Winchester Model 12 started life in 1924 and has been customized by unknown individual at some point. prior written consent of the Copyright holder. From its debut until the end of the 1950's, the Winchester Model 1912 was the pump shotgun, long known as "the perfect repeater." Edwin Pugsley, in charge of Winchester at the time of receivership, is quoted in Williamsons book: The purchase of the company by the Olin interests brought a breath of life to the institution and brought to Winchester many things. Here-tofore, you could only shoot this weight of shot in a 10-gauge double gun with 2 7/8-inch chambers, or the new Ithaca Magnum 10. Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? The Olins soon added to the attractiveness of the Model 12 duck gun by bringing out a new 1 5/8-ounce load for the 3-inch shell. Buckingham recorded his adventures in some of the best hunting stories ever written. Winchester advises Do not use steel shot in any Winchester shotgun with a fixed choke. Use tungsten polymer, tungsten matrix or bismuth shot for waterfowl hunting with your Model 12 duck gun. Johnson, at once one of the great gun designers and one of the least known, produced a steady flow of new firearm designs for Winchester. I have a donut post trap gun but not a pigeon, had two 3 inch guns, one had donut post the other had a round post. Westerns 3-inch 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot was introduced the same year. I would think if you did shoot you proble flinch like heck becouse ther must be a lot of jerk in you. Winchester Model 12 in 16 ga with a 26" barrel with a full choke. Their attitude is summed up by Elmer Keith in Shotguns by Keith: the satisfaction of seeing big ducks crumple at long range and come down and bounce on the ground or splash high in the water is the cream of shotgun shooting., It is my view that the long-range duck-hunting cult was a legacy from the days of market hunting. Winchester Pre War Mod 12 Trap 2 Barrel Set 12ga, Winchester Pre 64 Mod 12 DU Illinios No.1 Engraved by M Dubber, WINCHESTER
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According to the Serial# 1439865, and Winchester manufacturing records, this gun w. 12ga, #366988, 30 inch barrel, 2 1/2 inch chamber, full choke, solid rib, blue finish, straight grip checkered walnut stock, checkered walnut forearm, 13 3/4 LOP with "newer" Winchester pad, 12ga, #1417110, 30 inch barrel, 3 inch chamber, full choke, blue finish, walnut stock and forearm, solid rib, original red rubber pad, 1954. Model 42s with donut post ribs, no Simmons markings, proof marks in the right places, in the proper serial number range, are considered to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. Herbert Houze summarizes the Watrous report in his book Winchester Repeating Arms Company, Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981. 1 9-16" DAC, 1 9-16" DAH, 14 1/2, Very good plus overall condition. A lot of us will have to begin learning to hit long-range ducks. Sounds like an invitation to join the long-range duck hunting cult! Guns.com pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our Simmons vent rib and custom AA+ walnut furniture. Winchester recognized the scarcity of ducks in their promotional advertisement of the new duck gun To Meet the New Wildfowling Conditions. I suspect most Model 12 duck guns bought before World War II were put to work on other game. I believe the solid ribs were soft (lead) soldered like the model 21's. It was manufactured in 1962 and is a skeet grade. I decided to test the patterning of the five loads detailed in the accompanying table. I worked in two gun shops when I was in college. Duck hunters bought 12-gauge doubles with 3-inch chambers to use the new Super-X magnum load, the Super Twelve as it was soon called. - for PayPal Credit, opens in a new window or tab, about earning points with eBay Mastercard, Report this item - opens in new window or tab. I was at a local gunshop this morning and was looking at a model 12 2-3/4" that had a Simmons rib. As you know that, Winchester Model 12 (factory original) 28-gauge pump action shotgun. Winchester undertook preparations for improvements in its firearms line following World War II. An incredible collector grade limited production 1953 Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN SIMMONS VENT RIB that is offered below Blue Book value. Look for an offset proof mark on the barrel to indicate whether the rib came on the gun or was fitted aftermarket. Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. This gives a wrinkled appearance on bottom of pistol grip and bottom of forend. I am planning on shooting it at the Grand Nostalgia shoot. Learn how your comment data is processed. Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga Deluxe GI#: 102228842 Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex .Click for more info Seller: First Stop Gun Area Code: 605 $1,750.00 I pick them up through the interlacing covert, a bunch of suspicious mallards driving for safety. Ab steadies the boat. Stock is very fine, with light scratching, pressure dents and an attractive grain pattern. Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 28 Gauge Single Family Owned Since 1967, Vent. There are 3 possible models that you might have: 1) Your Model 12 has a grooved slide handle and with a 'F' stamped after the serial number and has a lightweight alloy trigger guard. Winchester Model 12 with checkered forearm (slide handle) b'. Checkered semi-fancy walnut pistol grip stock with extended forearm and a solid Winchester recoil pad. The balance point is the takedown joint. Down pitch remained 2-1/2 inches with the 30-inch barrel throughout production. Nickel and ivory sight beads on the aftermarket Simmons rib, with choke marked full and 2 3/4 inch chamber. It's what was refered to as a "Olympic Rib". Wood is in very good condition showing very little handling or wear marks. Delivery times may vary, especially during peak periods. Simmons vent rib installed. custom bolt act. Smith Double Barrel Shotgun $250 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Twenty" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Light Twelve" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning Pump Action Shotgun $150 Charles Askins was the leading expert on shotguns in the first half of the last century. You have entered an incorrect email address! When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I am tempted to stop off awhile and call. But for some reason, buying a gun online can
Elmer Keith instructs:For the man who wants greater range and a bigger shot load for duck or goose shooting, the Model 12 Winchester is in a class by itself [with] the long 3 load. Nevertheless, the 1 7/8-ounce load appeared in the mid-50s and now a full two ounces of shot can be had in the 12 magnum. WE DO NOT SHIP INTERNATIONALLY
$40 Shipping. Eight major concealed carry insurance programs are now available to the millions of Americans who carry concealed. Standard Grade: 12-, 16-, 20- and 28-gauge; plain, solid or ventilated rib round barrels; standard lengths 26", 28", 30", 32"; plain walnut pistol-grip stock; grooved slide handle. Factroy finish on metal, custom wood. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. Dave Riffle in his book, The Greatest Hammerless Repeating Shotgun Ever Built: The Model 12 1912-1964, states The Winchester Model 12 was, and still remains, the only gun that was offered in over 100 different variations or configurations during its lifetime. It is fair to say that Winchester produced Model 12 shotguns for every conceivable shotgunning special interest group, including duck hunters. Field grade pump gun with Mod choke barrel. a post would have spent 281.5 hours trying to correct off handed remarks as a expert about winchester model 12's & 42's. Must be shipped to an FFL, New price, Listed is a like new Winchester DU, Model-12, 12 Ga Pump Shotgun. A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. The vent rib is stamped "SIMMONS GUN SPECIALTIES INC. KANSAS CITY, MO.". Then people would choose a grade of model 12 and add or change things to ther hunting or shooting style. The stock finish is original and excellent. FORE ARM HAS A PEICE OF WOOD MI, This is an all original 1962 made Winchester Model 12 in the harder to find 16 Gauge. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. Recent 3 1/2-inch 12-gauge shells will create dangerous pressure in the 3-inch duck gun chamber. The ducks shot by me in the accompanying photograph were taken with Skeet boring and trap loads of #7 1/2-shot. I kept the ones that were dearer to me so now they live in safes and I hate the safes. The Model 21 received duck gun status in 1940, although 3-inch chambers could be ordered earlier. The duck guns reputation was made with the one and five-eighths ounce load, the heaviest 12 magnum load from about 1935 to the mid-1950s. *** RARE *** Winchester Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN limited production run that combines the pre-64 Model 12 with a 12 ga. Magnum 30" barrel, factory production 3" Magnum, with a factory Simmons Vent Rib on an upgraded wood stock! It has a Simmons rib, which is not out of the question for Winchester to have used according to Maddis in his book of the model 12's. The metal finish is superior to a field grade gun, higher polish and a matted receiver top and magazine tube. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 1d 15h 33m 17222600. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. We have a
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Rudy was well known with model 12' s and pre-64 model 70's now as far a Felix, he's in a better place now. View cart for details. The Winchester Model 1912 (also commonly known as the Model 12, or M12) is an internal-hammer pump-action shotgun with an external tube magazine. According to my source your Model 12 Winchester was made in 1924, so it is 89 years old. 2. The buttstock was reshaped on Model 12 shotguns again in the mid-1950s. The duck gun made in 1952 has a Simmons ventilated rib. The duck gun version of the Model 12, introduced in 1935, was a natural consequence of duck hunters in charge of Winchester. And our
Harold Williamson, in his book Winchester, The Gun That Won the West, relates that the new management of Winchester embarked on a program that involved an extraordinary departure from the companys previous operations and the investment of borrowed capital in large amounts. Winchester struggled through a decade of inept product diversification that was terminated by the Great Depression. Alex, we don't have enough info to give you an informed opinion. Bluing is in overall very good condition. Charles Askins, in an article entitled Long Range Shotguns in the January 1930 issue of the American Rifleman, concludes that a 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot, patterning 80% or better is pretty reliable [on ducks] at 65 yards. However, Askins goes on to say I have never, personally, had a shotgun which would reach far enough. Before the eight gauge was banned in 1918, Askins had a Greener eight-gauge double with 36-inch barrels weighing 13 pounds. Interchangeable barrels (forend assembly) for 2 3/4-inch shells and choke of choice were special order. Thanks= Re-Up- forgot the offset marks on a factory ribbed gun- two of my 5 pre-1950 M12's have the factory solid rib, and the 1948 Pigeon Trap has the "Old Milled Rib" with the sandblast bulled top and the "Duck-Billed" rib extension. This test, along with a check of adjustment remaining in the takedown joint and functioning of the slide lock dis-connector, are my standard mechanical checks for a Model 12. Popularly named the Perfect Repeater at its introduction, it largely set the standard for pump action shotguns over its 51-year high-rate production life. Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 13 1/8" LOP. Nickel and ivory sight beads on the aftermarket Simmons rib, with choke marked full and 2 3/4 inch chamber. The new 1935-style buttstock featured a closer and fuller pistol grip. Consider the possibility of a hang-fire, an occasional event in 1912, in a gun without the slide lock feature. Houze relates that for the Model 12 the Watrous report suggested improve the smoothness of the action as it is criticized for being rough. How this was to be accomplished is not related but closer hand-fitting and gauging of parts was likely. Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 22 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. The extra weight is meant to soak up the recoil of what once was thought to be a very hard-kicking load. ORIGINAL BOX INCLUDED. - Straight Sighting Plane - Floating Vent rib action - Extra Strong Silver soldered posts Gun Type Over/Under w/RBSingle Barrel w/RB Whether you're looking for a truck gun, something for the bug out bag, or a do-anything firearm we have you covered. Skeet gun marked "2 7/8" chamber skeet 28 gauge. Sto, Used
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Wood Stock, No Box. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 5d 7h 6m 17240921. So here is a history lesson on the skeet grade. Checkered stocks and extension slide handles were available as options on the standard grade throughout most of the duck guns production. Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. Winchester ~ Model 12 Custom~ 12 GA Used Guns. Probably a lot farther than we can hit em. Such were the men of the long-range duck-hunting cult. RIAC believes that this website is accessible to the widest possible audience pursuant to the guidelines of the Americans with Disability Act. And unlike our competitors, it extends beyond the buying process. Model 12 duck guns are highly specialized tools for a very limited number of duck hunters who can regularly center a duck at 40-60 yards, and need to. M, ventilated rib, mid 1950's manufacture, completely original, only one ever produced by Winchester, ultimate rarity for the Model 12 co, 12ga, #1737096, standard gun that has been restocked and has a Simmons ventilated rib added, 12ga, 30 inch barrel, full choke, 2 3/4 inch chamber, 14 3/4 inch LOP with "Decelerator" pad, blu, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood, Winchester Model 12 28 gauge Skeet solid rib. Winchester installed Simmons ribs and Simmons-designed ventilated ribs for several years. The duck gun sent to the American Rifleman staff in 1935 would not unlock during recoil. The perimeter of the disc was then marked and the enclosed pellet holes counted. We join Buckingham in his ducking skiff as he is poled through the bayou by Ab, his black guide. The funds are returned to the states for wildlife restoration projects. His Super Fox 12 gauge magnum double averaged 83.7% (two-barrel average) of 1 3/8ounces of shot under the same conditions. The latest 2-pin rib gun researched has a serial number of 19114xx with a date of August 26th, 1960. Charles Askins confirmed the tighter patterns and greater effective range in the field. The Model 12 shotgun, initially the Model 1912, hit the market in August 1912. My gun is a pump action Model 12 shotgun with a grooved slide handle (forearm). I still have a few 2nd style action slides left. Thomas C. Johnson came to Winchester in 1885 and remained a dedicated employee until his death in 1934. There are Simmons marketed guns with proper Winchester proof marks. be complicated. The standard length was 2-5/8 inches. The price in 1963 was $122 compared to $109.50 for the standard Model 12. The 1 5/8-ounce load of the mid-30s bought the 12 magnum a few more yards of range. It is the skeet style of stock with a comb drop of 1 1/2 2 1/2 inches, and a 14-inch length, butt to trigger. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Mfg 1917, 25" Barrel, Mod, Correct Forend and Buttstock, Small chip out of toe of butt plate, Wood is not damaged, Good Bore, Pictures show condition, Buyer pays 50.00 shipping Pa residents add 6, This Winchester Model 12 is a post 1972 gun with a "Y' prefix serial number. Gunsmithing Services - Simmons Gun Repair Full list of professional Gunsmithing services and prices at Simmons Gun Repair Shop All productsBest sellingHand gunsRiflesShot gunsAmmunitionOther ServicesBuild an ARAboutFAQContact UsSign Up Shop All productsBest sellingHand gunsRiflesShot gunsAmmunitionOther ServicesBuild an ARAboutFAQContact UsSign Up At a reasenable Price, you can have that gun you allways wanted without all this drama. Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. 30" Full choke barrel. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Possible the fore end has been either replaced or re done. The Model 21 double seemed the reasonable choice for Winchesters duck gun. It was a little rough so I am doing a restoration. Smith brand, by the A.H. Fox Company of Philadelphia, by Parker, and by Ithaca. Another sign of an after factory rib were the numer of 30" Full field guns later ribbed either with Simmons or MoneyMaker ventilated ribs, but the top milled groove in the receiver was a dead-give-away as to that, and when the Model 12 ruled the ATA roost, I am sure many "newbies" bought those modified and restocked field guns and thought - "Wow- now I have a Model 12 Trap gun- look out Vandalia, here I come"--I have several post 1935 12 gauge Model 12 buttstocks and also 18 ring forearms in my "parts boxes, also older logo and non-logo repro 12 gauge black bakelite buttplates-the 16 and 20 and 28- all on the same size receiver, take the same stock configuration. Keep in mind that all of these changes in stock design were running changes and thus some overlapping of designs occurred in production. Can you help me out? Solid rib model 12 made in 1954. These ribs have Simmons markings. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Built from 1912 to 1963. later on flinching became a problem with 12 gauge shooters becouse of 300 round tournaments. It is at my engraver now. Remington re-tooled from the M31 to the stamp, push and press 870 which sold for less than the M12. He is engraving the old (Ulrich big duck 12-5 pattern) on it. Number 8 and 2 shot provided wider and more even patterns with no center thickening. w/ 22" barrel in original box w/ paperwork 1 of 1,000 #UG5 2 Paul Jaeger Jenkintown, PA. 30-06 cal. Original appearing donut post and round post vent rib Model 12s with no Simmons markings and proof marks in the proper places are generally thought by collectors to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory.